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  • #16
    Vi ste svi retardirani

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    • #17
      Originally posted by gale977 View Post
      Vi ste svi retardirani
      um yeah what this guy said?????????????????????????????????????????????? ??????????? lol

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      • #18
        You all are retarded This is fucking game Fuck politics
        Translation :P

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        • #19
          Originally posted by gale977 View Post
          You all are retarded This is fucking game Fuck politics
          Translation :P
          lol I always knew I was special you jus confirmed it ty

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          • #20
            Storm, the thing is that we have already tried that. We opened up our borders for refugees and accepted many of them in our lands. We thought we could trust in them and we opened up our hearts and greeted them. Many people didn't like the decision to let them in Europe, and so they did bad things to them. Disrespected them everything. And some people let them in their house just to give them shelter. Governments and ministers giving away their houses for them. But the thing is that as soon as we have done that, ISIS has confirmed that they would send some of their people with the refugees. And when they said that, boom! The November Paris attacks happened.

            And now, I'm not trying to offend anyone. But as soon as these refugees came into our country.. They started complaining about a lot of stuff. They even complained to have bad internet connection here in Norway. Like man, they ran away from war, from all the hate just to come here and complain about their living standards? Like man let us just settle all this stuff because we used a lot of money on getting them in and providing them shelter. Like man, we are trying our best but all we get is shit. Like man, we pay our tax for them.

            Some of them are good, some of them are bad. That is just the world we are living in. It is hard to change someones thoughts on someone else.

            My point upon this article that I have written, is that we need a system. People who would like to come into our country should apply for it. Now this border check did not stop us at all, it just took records about the car, and the driver to see if there is any chance that this person could be a threat or someone who went to Syria. It doesn't mean they could stop the hate from people who already live inside the country they would like to terrorize. But it helps.
            Mr. Modric

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            • #21
              Soooo.....violence is forbidden in islam right?

              Let us have a look.....


              Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing...
              but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun(the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)" (Translation is from the Noble Quran) The verse prior to this (190) refers to "fighting for the cause of Allah those who fight you" leading some to believe that the entire passage refers to a defensive war in which Muslims are defending their homes and families. The historical context of this passage is not defensive warfare, however, since Muhammad and his Muslims had just relocated to Medina and were not under attack by their Meccan adversaries. In fact, the verses urge offensive warfare, in that Muslims are to drive Meccans out of their own city (which they later did). Verse 190 thus means to fight those who offer resistance to Allah's rule (ie. Muslim conquest). The use of the word "persecution" by some Muslim translators is disingenuous (the actual Arabic words for persecution - "idtihad" - and oppression - a variation of "z-l-m" - do not appear in the verse). The word used instead, "fitna", can mean disbelief, or the disorder that results from unbelief or temptation. This is certainly what is meant in this context since the violence is explicitly commissioned "until religion is for Allah" - ie. unbelievers desist in their unbelief.

              Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

              Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that this verse was narrated at a time that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding merchant caravans for loot.

              Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

              Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').

              Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward." The martyrs of Islam are unlike the early Christians, who were led meekly to the slaughter. These Muslims are killed in battle as they attempt to inflict death and destruction for the cause of Allah. This is the theological basis for today's suicide bombers.

              Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

              Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

              Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home).Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward " This passage criticizes "peaceful" Muslims who do not join in the violence, letting them know that they are less worthy in Allah's eyes. It also demolishes the modern myth that "Jihad" doesn't mean holy war in the Quran, but rather a spiritual struggle. Not only is this Arabic word (mujahiduna) used in this passage, but it is clearly not referring to anything spiritual, since the physically disabled are given exemption. (The Hadith reveals the context of the passage to be in response to a blind man's protest that he is unable to engage in Jihad, which would not make sense if it meant an internal struggle).

              Quran (4:104) - "And be not weak hearted in pursuit of the enemy; if you suffer pain, then surely they (too) suffer pain as you suffer pain..." Is pursuing an injured and retreating enemy really an act of self-defense?

              Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

              Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

              Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

              Quran (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more fitna (disorder, unbelief) and religion is all for Allah" Some translations interpret "fitna" as "persecution", but the traditional understanding of this word is not supported by the historical context (See notes for 2:193). The Meccans were simply refusing Muhammad access to their city during Haj. Other Muslims were allowed to travel there - just not as an armed group, since Muhammad had declared war on Mecca prior to his eviction. The Meccans were also acting in defense of their religion, since it was Muhammad's intention to destroy their idols and establish Islam by force (which he later did). Hence the critical part of this verse is to fight until "religion is only for Allah", meaning that the true justification of violence was the unbelief of the opposition. According to the Sira (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham 324) Muhammad further explains that "Allah must have no rivals."

              Quran (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

              Quran (8:67) - "It is not for a Prophet that he should have prisoners of war until he had made a great slaughter in the land..."

              Quran (8:59-60) - "And let not those who disbelieve suppose that they can outstrip (Allah's Purpose). Lo! they cannot escape. Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy."

              Quran (8:65) - "O Prophet, exhort the believers to fight..."

              Quran (9:5) - "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence at the time of Muhammad was to convert to Islam: prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religion's Five Pillars. The popular claim that the Quran only inspires violence within the context of self-defense is seriously challenged by this passage as well, since the Muslims to whom it was written were obviously not under attack. Had they been, then there would have been no waiting period (earlier verses make it a duty for Muslims to fight in self-defense, even during the sacred months). The historical context is Mecca after the idolaters were subjugated by Muhammad and posed no threat. Once the Muslims had power, they violently evicted those unbelievers who would not convert.

              [Note: The verse says to fight unbelievers "wherever you find them". Even if the context is in a time of battle (which it was not) the reading appears to sanction attacks against those "unbelievers" who are not on the battlefield. In 2016, the Islamic State referred to this verse in urging the faithful to commit terror attacks: Allah did not only command the 'fighting' of disbelievers, as if to say He only wants us to conduct frontline operations against them. Rather, He has also ordered that they be slain wherever they may be – on or off the battlefield. (source)]

              Quran (9:14) - "Fight against them so that Allah will punish them by your hands and disgrace them and give you victory over them and heal the breasts of a believing people." Humiliating and hurting non-believers not only has the blessing of Allah, but it is ordered as a means of carrying out his punishment and even "healing" the hearts of Muslims.

              Quran (9:20) - "Those who believe, and have left their homes and striven with their wealth and their lives in Allah's way are of much greater worth in Allah's sight. These are they who are triumphant." The Arabic word interpreted as "striving" in this verse is the same root as "Jihad". The context is obviously holy war.

              Quran (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." "People of the Book" refers to Christians and Jews. According to this verse, they are to be violently subjugated, with the sole justification being their religious status. Verse 9:33 tells Muslims that Allah has charted them to make Islam "superior over all religions." This chapter was one of the final "revelations" from Allah and it set in motion the tenacious military expansion, in which Muhammad's companions managed to conquer two-thirds of the Christian world in the next 100 years. Islam is intended to dominate all other people and faiths.


              Quran (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

              Quran (9:38-39) - "O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in your place." This is a warning to those who refuse to fight, that they will be punished with Hell.

              Quran (9:41) - "Go forth, light-armed and heavy-armed, and strive with your wealth and your lives in the way of Allah! That is best for you if ye but knew." See also the verse that follows (9:42) - "If there had been immediate gain (in sight), and the journey easy, they would (all) without doubt have followed thee, but the distance was long, (and weighed) on them" This contradicts the myth that Muslims are to fight only in self-defense, since the wording implies that battle will be waged a long distance from home (in another country and on Christian soil, in this case, according to the historians).


              Quran (9:73) - "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." Dehumanizing those who reject Islam, by reminding Muslims that unbelievers are merely firewood for Hell, makes it easier to justify slaughter. It also explains why today's devout Muslims have little regard for those outside the faith.

              Quran (9:88) - "But the Messenger, and those who believe with him, strive and fight with their wealth and their persons: for them are (all) good things: and it is they who will prosper."


              Quran (9:111) - "Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Quran: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme." How does the Quran define a true believer?

              Quran (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

              Quran (17:16) - "And when We wish to destroy a town, We send Our commandment to the people of it who lead easy lives, but they transgress therein; thus the word proves true against it, so We destroy it with utter destruction." Note that the crime is moral transgression, and the punishment is "utter destruction." (Before ordering the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden first issued Americans an invitation to Islam).

              Quran (18:65-81) - This parable lays the theological groundwork for honor killings, in which a family member is murdered because they brought shame to the family, either through apostasy or perceived moral indiscretion. The story (which is not found in any Jewish or Christian source) tells of Moses encountering a man with "special knowledge" who does things which don't seem to make sense on the surface, but are then justified according to later explanation. One such action is to murder a youth for no apparent reason (74). However, the wise man later explains that it was feared that the boy would "grieve" his parents by "disobedience and ingratitude." He was killed so that Allah could provide them a 'better' son. [Note: This parable along with verse 58:22 is a major reason that honor killing is sanctioned by Sharia. Reliance of the Traveler (Umdat al-Saliq) says that punishment for murder is not applicable when a parent or grandparent kills their offspring (o.1.12).]

              Quran (21:44) - "We gave the good things of this life to these men and their fathers until the period grew long for them; See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"

              Quran (25:52) - "Therefore listen not to the Unbelievers, but strive against them with the utmost strenuousness..." "Strive against" is Jihad - obviously not in the personal context. It's also significant to point out that this is a Meccan verse.

              Quran (33:60-62) - "If the hypocrites, and those in whose hearts is a disease, and the alarmists in the city do not cease, We verily shall urge thee on against them, then they will be your neighbors in it but a little while. Accursed, they will be seized wherever found and slain with a (fierce) slaughter." This passage sanctions the slaughter (rendered "merciless" and "horrible murder" in other translations) against three groups: Hypocrites (Muslims who refuse to "fight in the way of Allah" (3:167) and hence don't act as Muslims should), those with "diseased hearts" (which include Jews and Christians 5:51-52), and "alarmists" or "agitators who include those who merely speak out against Islam, according to Muhammad's biographers. It is worth noting that the victims are to be sought out by Muslims, which is what today's terrorists do. If this passage is meant merely to apply to the city of Medina, then it is unclear why it is included in Allah's eternal word to Muslim generations.

              Quran (47:3-4) - "Those who disbelieve follow falsehood, while those who believe follow the truth from their Lord... So, when you meet (in fight Jihad in Allah's Cause), those who disbelieve smite at their necks till when you have killed and wounded many of them, then bind a bond firmly (on them, i.e. take them as captives)... If it had been Allah's Will, He Himself could certainly have punished them (without you). But (He lets you fight), in order to test you, some with others. But those who are killed in the Way of Allah, He will never let their deeds be lost." Those who reject Allah are to be killed in Jihad. The wounded are to be held captive for ransom. The only reason Allah doesn't do the dirty work himself is to to test the faithfulness of Muslims. Those who kill pass the test.

              Quran (47:35) - "Be not weary and faint-hearted, crying for peace, when ye should be uppermost (Shakir: "have the upper hand") for Allah is with you,"

              Quran (48:17) - "There is no blame for the blind, nor is there blame for the lame, nor is there blame for the sick (that they go not forth to war). And whoso obeyeth Allah and His messenger, He will make him enter Gardens underneath which rivers flow; and whoso turneth back, him will He punish with a painful doom." Contemporary apologists sometimes claim that Jihad means 'spiritual struggle.' Is so, then why are the blind, lame and sick exempted? This verse also says that those who do not fight will suffer torment in hell.

              Quran (48:29) - "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves" Islam is not about treating everyone equally. This verse tells Muslims that there are two very distinct standards that are applied based on religious status. Also the word used for 'hard' or 'ruthless' in this verse shares the same root as the word translated as 'painful' or severe' to describe Hell in over 25 other verses including 65:10, 40:46 and 50:26..

              Quran (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His cause" Religion of Peace, indeed! The verse explicitly refers to "rows" or "battle array," meaning that it is speaking of physical conflict. This is followed by (61:9), which defines the "cause": "He it is who has sent His Messenger (Mohammed) with guidance and the religion of truth (Islam) to make it victorious over all religions even though the infidels may resist." (See next verse, below). Infidels who resist Islamic rule are to be fought.

              Quran (61:10-12) - "O You who believe! Shall I guide you to a commerce that will save you from a painful torment. That you believe in Allah and His Messenger (Muhammad), and that you strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with your wealth and your lives, that will be better for you, if you but know! (If you do so) He will forgive you your sins, and admit you into Gardens under which rivers flow, and pleasant dwelling in Gardens of'Adn- Eternity ['Adn(Edn) Paradise], that is indeed the great success." This verse refers to physical battle in order to make Islam victorious over other religions (see verse 9). It uses the Arabic root for the word Jihad.

              Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end." The root word of "Jihad" is used again here. The context is clearly holy war, and the scope of violence is broadened to include "hypocrites" - those who call themselves Muslims but do not act as such.
              It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain.

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              • #22
                Sounds exactly like IS to me....

                oh but wait it's directly taken from quran....

                ...and all muslims follow quran as if it were the words of god/allah
                It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by The_Black_Cat View Post
                  Sounds exactly like IS to me....

                  oh but wait it's directly taken from quran....

                  ...and all muslims follow quran as if it were the words of god/allah
                  Don't forget to mix camel urine in your camels milk. It will solve that bloating feeling you get from reading that much of the quran.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Chance View Post
                    Don't forget to mix camel urine in your camels milk. It will solve that bloating feeling you get from reading that much of the quran.
                    so I guess when a pastor or priest feels bloated they just take a altar boy for a spin then huh?????????????????????????????????????????

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Maximus_Constanino View Post
                      so I guess when a pastor or priest feels bloated they just take a altar boy for a spin then huh?????????????????????????????????????????
                      Why in the fuck would I care or know?

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                      • #26
                        Merkel committed political suicide by ruining many places in Europe...

                        Why don't we have Saudi Arabia or any of the gulf states take any refugees? Saudi Arabia has a place with thousands of air conditioned tents with no one living in them for fuck sakes. Why don't we set up safe zones in Syria and other places for the civilians?

                        Thousands of refugees have died crossing the Mediterranean when we could have kept them safe within their own region. It makes no sense.
                        Last edited by Schofield; 09-11-2016, 12:00 AM.

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                        • #27
                          “And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is Hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement.” (Surah an-Nisā’ 4:93) Why do these so called Muslims just kill people without a reason?

                          “O People! It is not permitted to kill the Muslims. Similarly to appropriate their property is not allowed. So do not be unjust upon yourselves and do not revert to disbelief after my death.” Why do these so called Muslims or terrorists kill Muslim people? Like this is something the media doesn't take in that much that these government supported organizations bomb down Mosques and killing their own ''brothers''. Sounds sketchy for me.

                          “Whoever slays a soul, unless it be for a manslaughter or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew all men; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept alive all men.” (Surah al-Mā’ida 5:32)

                          The Almighty Allah says:

                          “....and do not kill ourselves; surely Allah is Merciful to you. And whoever does this aggressively and unjustly, We will soon cast him into Fire; and this is easy for Allah.” (Surah an-Nisā’ 4:29-30) This is meant by suicide bombing. Like they are doing a big sin for this.

                          They are not muslims. They are just there to act like they are Muslims so people get a negative side of Islam. These are just people who are governed by the U.S. It is all politics. Don't believe in everything you see on the internet. Read the Quran and you will see for yourself. A lot of people put up bunch of bullshit and people actually believe in those stuff. You can't complain about a religion that is actually striving to be peaceful..

                          But people hate to hear that Islam spread rapidly. And that one day, Islam will be the Majority in the whole world. You might be laughing now, but if we look into statistics.. Islam is still growing rapidly. Like some years ago it was said that there were 1.2 billion Muslims in the world. While there were around 2.2 billion Christians in the world. Now? Christians is still stuck at 2.2 billion while there are 1.6 billion Muslims in the world. Some say there are 1.7 billion now. It is rising. Why? Because while people focus on having 1 or 2 children per woman in European countries or other christian countries, Muslims focus on having 5 to 8 children. And this is the reason why they bring so much hate on Islam. Because we are growing.

                          Now I'm not saying I am actually 100% Muslim. Bosnian people are more like neutral when we talk about religion and we don't follow every rule in Islam. Like we are not even close to Arabian Muslims. But still. I believe in what's right. I know that my God does not want me killing innocent lives so you should just accept the fact that this shit is not a part of Islam. It is the people who made it to look like it was. The Media, the Governments. Politics.

                          To be able to read the Quran you need to understand it. You need to understand first what Islam is about. And by reading media propaganda you can't know shit. Cause that's what they want.
                          Last edited by Modric; 09-11-2016, 12:36 AM.
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Modric View Post


                            Now I'm not saying I am actually 100% Muslim. Bosnian people are more like neutral when we talk about religion and we don't follow every rule in Islam. Like we are not even close to Arabian Muslims. But still. I believe in what's right. I know that my God does not want me killing innocent lives so you should just accept the fact that this shit is not a part of Islam. It is the people who made it to look like it was. The Media, the Governments. Politics.

                            To be able to read the Quran you need to understand it. You need to understand first what Islam is about. And by reading media propaganda you can't know shit. Cause that's what they want.
                            Yeah - nice try. The quran is filled with contradictions and was written mostly by a pedophile. The only people who believe otherwise are in the cult we call islam.
                            #removekebab

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Chance View Post
                              Yeah - nice try. The quran is filled with contradictions and was written mostly by a pedophile. The only people who believe otherwise are in the cult we call islam.
                              #removekebab
                              It is funny to hear this from a person who has no idea or has never even taken any research about the Quran. Read it and learn. Don't lose your time on internet propaganda and a lot of false shit. And assuming you wrote #removekebab, I'm actually laughing at you. In 1. World War and in 2. World War you guys got slaughtered easily. Don't let that shit happen again Idi u picku materinu.
                              Mr. Modric

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Modric View Post
                                It is funny to hear this from a person who has no idea or has never even taken any research about the Quran. Read it and learn. Don't lose your time on internet propaganda and a lot of false shit. And assuming you wrote #removekebab, I'm actually laughing at you. In 1. World War and in 2. World War you guys got slaughtered easily. Don't let that shit happen again Idi u picku materinu.
                                I'm sure it's funny for you to hear that people believe all forms of religion are cults. You're no different than any other brain washed person - and you're not unique by telling me to read the quran. How about you read the illiad instead - this way i'm returning a useless suggestion with one that is actually enlightening - and equally as ancient and does not force my beliefs on you.

                                You want to drink camel piss go for it - but don't get pissed when the world thinks you're in a cult and nuts.

                                #removekebab

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