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    1. Religions often teach the concept of hell, where there is eternal suffering of an unimaginable degree. This concept is taught to very young children, and in order for them to accept the idea that some of the people they care about will burn in hell for all eternity, they must turn off their compassion for those people. Even in religions that teach that hell is only for people who have done really horrible things, it still forces people to turn off their compassion for other human beings. Once a person, especially a child, learns to turn off their compassion and shrug their shoulders at eternal suffering, then being able to do the same thing for real-world, short-term suffering is much easier.

    2. Religious individuals often feel as though God is guiding them in some way. This may be through prayer or just simple emotions, but it allows individuals the ability to decide that their emotions and desires are sanctioned by God, so when they gain the urge to do harm, they are more likely to convince themselves that they are justified because they have such strong emotions that they feel are given to them, not by the neurons firing in their brain, but by God.

    3. If there is something morally wrong in society, or with an individual, the religious person has the ability to chalk it up to God’s “Mysterious Ways”. This can diminish a person’s desire to make a difference because they believe it’s all part of some great plan.

    4. Religions often teach that it’s not easy for a person to have morality without the concept of heaven and hell to motivate them. This teaches people that they do not have the mental capacity to be good without an outside motivator.

    5. If people are taught that heaven and hell are necessary for a moral society, then this implies that there is no inherent logic to being moral, and implies that there’s nothing to be gained here on earth by being good, and implies that there won’t be immediate emotional consequences for wrongdoing.

    6. Religions often teach belief in God and prayer as a moral issue, so a criminal can believe that they can atone for anything simply by worshipping harder.

    7. Religions often try to establish arguably irrelevant things as moral issues, such as masturbation, homosexuality, or blasphemous thoughts. This fills a religious person’s mind with a whole list of things they can’t do, and wastes precious moral willpower that could otherwise be used to resist the urge to lie or commit crime.

    8. When things like masturbation, homosexuality, or blasphemous thoughts are given such attention as moral issues, a religious person may gain the idea that they are on par morally with other things such as burglary or rape, and they see a world that is full of masturbation, homosexuality and blasphemous thoughts, and they are able to think, “well, what’s one more sin in a world of sin?”

    9. The concept of hell teaches eternal suffering, essentially a punishment, or an act of vengeance against anyone who is either a bad person or somehow angers God. This can set a precedent for people that states that it’s morally acceptable to make people suffer in order to get what you want.

    10. Religions teach people to believe in a very specific set of spiritual concepts, and believe that these concepts are absolute truth. However, they see other people all around them who do not share their beliefs, and often have other belief systems that are equally beautiful. So the only way for many religious individuals to maintain such an absolute belief in their own concepts and to resist the potential joy found in other belief systems, is to turn off their empathy for anyone who does not see things the way they do, and refuse to imagine things from other people’s perspectives. When you are less able to see things from other people’s perspectives, you are less likely to feel compassion for them, and therefore more capable of doing things that harm them.

    11. People are often told that religion will “draw them toward goodness”, and some people take this to believe that it happens automatically so they never come to realize that it takes real willpower, and they don’t learn to work with their own emotions, because they keep expecting it to happen simply by worshiping or reading a holy text.

    12. If a person already believes they’re going to hell, and if they think that there is already no way to redeem themselves, then there is nothing left to stop them from committing whatever wrongdoing they might want.

    13. The concept of original sin reinforces the idea that we are helpless to stop our criminal urges.

    14. Religions teach people to follow, whether that be the church, preacher, the holy text, etc. and can leave individuals with an inherent desire to allow others to tell them right from wrong, which makes them more susceptible to propaganda and pressure from peers.

    15. People learn from what they see and imitate others around them, especially people who are built up as being greater than they are, such as God. This reaction frequently can be entirely subconscious. So when they see God causing suffering in this world, and doing some of the horrible things that He does in religious texts, it may instill an individual with a subtle, subconscious desire to commit similar actions.

    16. When individuals are taught to submit to and put their faith in a God as their guide, this can make them feel helpless to make their own decisions and reduce their confidence in their ability to resist criminal urges.

    17. If a person is harmed by an accident purely by chance, it is usually less traumatic than if another person purposely causes the injury. So if a person has had a particularly difficult life, as the majority of criminals have, then they have a much higher likelihood of being emotionally traumatized by the unfortunate things that have happened to them because they believe that it was done to them on purpose by a God instead of by an act of simple chance. The extra trauma simply adds to any potentially unstable personalities.

    18. The concept of evil can often be used as an identifier for individual human beings. It’s easy and convenient to believe serial killers are possessed with an intense and unbreakable evil brought forth from a higher power. The problem is when this concept of evil is placed on people who are not so horrible. When you accept the idea that a supernatural evil is at work on this planet, it is easy for you to believe, for example, that your wife who cheated on you and broke your heart is in fact, evil, and this can lay the foundation for a person’s justification for revenge. When we believe that people are evil it reduces our confidence in being able to affect a change in that person, because we believe their bad deeds come from an all-powerful, supernatural source.

    19. Sometimes when a person is feeling emotions that may lead them toward crime, they will talk about it with someone, and even attempt to receive professional help. A religious person is more likely to seek out or be directed towards religious help and are more likely to wind up discussing their problems with individuals who do not have psychological training in crime prevention.

    20. There are numerous logical arguments not to commit crime or other harmful acts. This is not to discredit the emotional and spiritual arguments against crime and wrongdoing, but if you look at the long term personal effects of committing a crime, and analyze it based on pure, “cold-hearted”, even selfish logic, you will still find that committing most crimes just doesn’t make sense. However, sometimes, our short term emotions or spirituality tell us otherwise and we may have a desire to, for example, take vengeance on someone or steal something we really, really want. A religious person is less likely to be devoted to “cold-hearted” logic, and therefore less likely to have thought about the real-world, long-term consequences of their actions.

    21. It’s clear in our society that violence and crime interests people. It’s no wonder our movies are full of violence, and violent news gets significantly more air-time than peaceful news. This is because violence interests us and fascinates us. If we are made in the image of God, then doesn’t God also have the same fascination and interest in violence? Wouldn’t that make it acceptable to commit violence, since it is entertainment for our Lord? Some will claim that nobody thinks this way, but when you think about it from a blindly devotional standpoint, it makes perfect sense, and even if only one out of every thousand religious individuals feels this way, the consequences for society could be devastating.

    22. When people are taught that the afterlife is eternal and is so much more important than the earthly realm, or that our world has no purpose without it, this devalues our world and it’s people, and makes it easier for a criminal to justify his actions, because when compared to eternity, it’s pretty easy to argue that a simple crime is insignificant.
    It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain.

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    22. When people are taught that the afterlife is eternal and is so much more important than the earthly realm, or that our world has no purpose without it, this devalues our world and it’s people, and makes it easier for a criminal to justify his actions, because when compared to eternity, it’s pretty easy to argue that a simple crime is insignificant.

    ---> before you read the first ones and ignore the rest: this one points out the danger best.....
    It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain.

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    • #3
      I agree with you in places but religion also brings alot of happiness to people.

      Because of all the evil and hate in the world some people look to religion to help them guide them etc and have faith and hope theys something greater to it part of the plan ..Not just so they can strap bombs to themselves and be the evil and hatred which they hate

      God as said hate the sin not the sinner, and if you haven't sinned cast the first stone. It is not up to humans to take life.

      Its not religions which are the problem its humans.

      They's good and bad in everything

      I also Hate all the violence and how society likes it..I wish they was peaceful news on instead of all the wars and violence BUT THE NEWS IS PART OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER

      They want to brainwash people to be evil so it helps towards bring martial law in

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      • #4
        People might also become religious if they have done something and they can't forgive themselves religion helps. truly repenting sins

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        • #5
          humans are the problem you say

          humans created religion

          therefor religion is problematic

          NB marijuana also brings happiness
          It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain.

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          • #6
            life is equally precious yet religion doesn't teach that....

            "humans are superior to all life and this planet is there to take since god provided it and will make a new one if need be...."

            religion is an excuse to do evil in the name of all that's good
            It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain.

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            • #7
              The fact that you took as much time as you did to write this all out shows me that you have way too much time on your hands, and if you actually believe the majority of these things, then you need to take some of that time and actually study religions. I could go point by point and refute most everything you say that is "bad" that religion teaches us. But, if I did that, you wouldn't learn anything by researching it yourself, and you'd probably blame it on IU.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MrWorker View Post
                I agree with you in places but religion also brings alot of happiness to people.

                Because of all the evil and hate in the world some people look to religion to help them guide them etc and have faith and hope theys something greater to it part of the plan ..Not just so they can strap bombs to themselves and be the evil and hatred which they hate

                God as said hate the sin not the sinner, and if you haven't sinned cast the first stone. It is not up to humans to take life.

                Its not religions which are the problem its humans.

                They's good and bad in everything

                I also Hate all the violence and how society likes it..I wish they was peaceful news on instead of all the wars and violence BUT THE NEWS IS PART OF THE NEW WORLD ORDER

                They want to brainwash people to be evil so it helps towards bring martial law in

                I agree on this part with MrWorker

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by St_Michael_5pts View Post
                  I could go point by point and refute most everything you say that is "bad" that religion teaches us
                  i dare you to...
                  It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain.

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                  • #10
                    Religion (doesn't) makes life harder than it should be!
                    1. Buddhism teaches Karuṇā, or compassion and mercy, which reduces the suffering of others. It is complementary to wisdom, and is necessary for enlightenment.
                    Christianity's "golden rule" is love your neighbor as yourself, the exact opposite of turning off compassion for everyone else. Then there's the different aspects of love. Agapē love is charitable and selfless. Philia love, also known as brotherly love, you know...where the city Philadelphia gets it's name from.
                    I could go on, but I figure those to biggies should suffice.
                    2. For this one I'll take a quote from C.S. Lewis' book Mere Christianity.
                    “God created things which had free will. That means creatures which can go either wrong or right … Why then, did God give them free will? Because free will, though it makes evil possible, is also the only thing that makes possible any love or goodness or joy worth having. A world of automata — of creatures that worked like machines — would hardly be worth creating. The happiness which God designs for His higher creatures is the happiness of being freely, voluntarily united to Him and to each other in an ecstasy of love and delight compared with which the most rapturous love between a man and a woman on this earth is mere milk and water. And for that they must be free.”
                    As far as taking responsibility for your own actions, the Bible is very clear about not blaming God for your temptations. It is made very clear in the first book of the Bible, when God kicks Adam and Eve out of the garden of eden because they were tempted by the serpent, and Adam blamed both Eve and God for his own disobedience to God.
                    3. I'll swing back to Buddhism for this one. On the Buddhist path to Emancipation, each individual is considered responsible for his own fortunes and misfortunes. Buddha advised men on the conditions which were most wholesome and conducive to long term benefit for self and others. Rather than addressing sinners with such words as 'shameful', 'wicked', 'wretched', 'unworthy', and 'blasphemous' He would merely say, 'You are unwise in acting in such a way since this will bring sorrow upon yourselves and others.'
                    The morality found in all the precepts can be summarized in three simple principles. 'To avoid evil; to do good, to purify the mind.' This is the advice given by all the Buddhas.
                    4. Religious teachings don't equate morality with the concept of heaven and hell as motivation. In fact several major religions don't even have a concept of heaven and hell period, let alone to force you into being moral.
                    Hinduism believes in reincarnation based on karma. Yes there's Moksha, a state of enlightenment that can only be achieved through a series of good deeds from one life to the next, but you can be morally good or bad, and you could still never reach Moksha, or any type of "hell".
                    Scientology also believes in reincarnation, with no heaven or hell and that nothing you do in this life affects how you will end up in your next.
                    5. For this one, anyone and everyone can use basic logic and know that religion isn't necessary to keep the world from falling into anarchy where there are no rules and no inherent logic to being moral. There are emotional and physical consequences for wrongdoing regardless of what religion you are.
                    6. I'm not exactly sure what you mean by God and prayer as a moral issue, but atoning for anything by worshiping harder isn't true. I'm guessing you mean Christianity, so I'll go there for this one. Christianity teaches that you have to believe in God and accept him as your personal Savior. So yes, in a sense, you can atone for crimes/sins by accepting God as your Savior. However some Christian religions state that it doesn't give you a pass to continue to sin. Both the Nazarene church and the Assembly of God church believe that you can lose your salvation through the willful disobedience of God.
                    7. There are probably many people that have no religious affiliation that would disagree on you about arguably irrelevant things not being moral issues. However I'll pick just one of your three "irrelevant things" and tackle blasphemous thoughts according to religion. Gandhi said “Your beliefs become your thoughts, Your thoughts become your words, Your words become your actions, Your actions become your habits, Your habits become your values, Your values become your destiny.” However, there are many psychologists, with no religious affiliation, that believe in the power of positive thinking.
                    8. Again, whether they're "irrelevant things" or crimes like burglary or rape, The Bible (again I'm assuming you're talking about Christianity, bc you're using the word sin) has teaches that no sin is acceptable regardless of the "moral impact." As far as levels of sin, different people interpret the Bible different ways. Some believe that all sins are equal, except for the "unforgivable sin" of blaspheming the Holy Spirit, or basically completely turning your back on God and refusing salvation. Others believe that since some verses (like Jeremiah 25:14 "They themselves will be enslaved by many nations and great kings; I will repay them according to their deeds and the work of their hands.”) in the Bible talk about God judging sins and actions differently.
                    9. For this one I'll go to Tupac, "Only God can judge me, is that right? Only God can judge me now. Only God baby, nobody else, nobody else. All you other motherfuckers get out my business." Again since you're speaking of Hell, I'll go with Christianity. Matthew 7:1-5 “Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother's eye."
                    10. I'll go back up to my answer in #1 compassion is taught in almost every religion. Compassion for others, whether they're in the same religion as you or not, or whether they choose to be without a religion. Yes there are some religions that preach hate towards other religions, but the majority don't. "Love your neighbor as yourself" doesn't sound like teaching people to be more capable of doing things that harm others.
                    11. This is one where we might actually agree a little. There are a lot of people that think just going to church, or temple, or whatever religious ceremony their religion has, makes them good. It doesn't. However: most religions, again Christianity as an example, teaches that just going to church and being "good" won't lead to your salvation.

                    Part II below

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                    • #11
                      Part II

                      12. This isn't actually a religious belief, this is a belief of many that reject religion. People that say that God can't save them and there's no reason to try to be good bc it doesn't matter what they do, they're still going to hell. Christianity believes that you can be saved from going to hell. Different sects within Christianity believe different things about the ability to lose your salvation or not, but it doesn't teach that you should do whatever you want bc you're going to hell no matter what.
                      13. This is the age old debate of whether or not man is born inherently good or inherently bad. Original sin is again typically associated with Christianity and does not reinforce the idea that we are helpless. If you've ever read The Pilgrim's Progress by John Bunyan, in the Interpreter’s House, Christian sees a very dusty room that had never been swept. First, a man with a broom tries to clean the floor, but the broom’s only effect is to raise choking clouds of dust. The more he sweeps, the more the dust is stirred up; this is a picture of the law, Bunyan says, which cannot clean a sinful heart but only stirs up the sin. However, Christian watches as the broom is set aside and a young girl sprinkles the whole room with water. After that, the room is quickly cleaned; this is a picture of the gospel of grace and its ability to purify the heart. The grace of God can do what the law could never do: cleanse us from sin.
                      14. Religions also teach people to lead. Also, there are a crapload of people in the world that have absolutely no religious leanings, and they're just as susceptible to propaganda and peer pressure. Peer pressure starts as children, whether they're raised in a religion or not. Religion doesn't make people any more susceptible to propaganda or peer pressure. Anyone who breathes is susceptible to propaganda and peer pressure. Why do you think there are commercials on TV and radio, ads in newspapers and magazines. Those aren't geared to religious people...they're geared to people. Period.
                      15. Again, I'll kinda sorta maybe agree with you here when it comes to specific religions like Islam. There are many in Islam that view the Koran as justification for violence. However, the majority of religions teach compassion. Again, see #1
                      16. Already answered this one in #2. We have free will, and we're responsible for our own actions.
                      17. I'm trying to follow your logic here. I think you're trying to say that criminals blame God for bad things happening to them instead of blaming their own actions. If that's actually what you're trying to say, well, you're an idiot. Again, see #2. We have free will, we're responsible for our own actions. Freak accidents happen to people all the time, but if you're a criminal and you try to rob a house, and get shot. That's not God punishing you, that's you being a dumb ass.
                      18. Gandhi "an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind". Matthew 5:38-39 ""You have heard that it was said, 'An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.' "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also."
                      19. So you're saying that a religious person seeking professional help, will be more likely to commit a crime because the person they're talking to won't tell them that the crime they're thinking of committing, is bad? WTF kind of logic is that? Most religious counselors, are certified in some way, shape or form in counseling. Also, since you've already stated that most religious people have deeper moral convictions, I'm pretty sure this imaginary counselor you're talking about, will have deeper moral convictions, want to help the person they're counseling, and point them in the right direction if they know they're out of their league.
                      20. I'm not even going to argue this one because your logic is just plain stupidity. You're really trying to say now that a deeply religious person, that tries to hold themselves to a higher moral standard, will just randomly say "fuck it, I'm gonna steal something I really really want." Are you really that stupid?
                      21. Again, your logic here is pure stupidity. Not even worth the time to refute it.
                      22. If you take Hinduism and Buddhism as examples here, the way you live your life in this world, affects your afterlife. How good or bad you are determines what kind of "next life" you have. In Christianity Matthew 5:16 says "Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven."

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                      • #12
                        but jesus died so we can sin

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                        • #13
                          buddhism is less of a religion and more of a philosophy and way less dogmatic than the major religions so i don't mind you quoting that

                          and i fully support the theory about positive thinking but i doubt you need religion for that

                          in fact i personally believe the concept of good and bad stands above religion; religious people only use religion as an excuse to do evil...

                          NB i just copy/pasted those 22 point off some site but must admit i have respect for the fact you tried debunking them all...and i do agree not all religious people are evil but religions teach to follow without questioning "the word of god" for whatever that means (since they wrote it themselves) and there lies the danger

                          religions are manmade and are flawed as such....all of them
                          It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain.

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                          • #14
                            # 21 was actually a good point....calling it stupidity is stupid
                            It's easier to fool people than to convince them they have been fooled. - Mark Twain.

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                            • #15
                              Religion makes you hard. Hey whatever floats your boat, i say.

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